Lee say's"I don't speak to H.I felt like a brother 2 him +I got stabbed in the back" [Dialup friendly version]

Stepsrcwl

23rd Aug 2006, 16:12

Hey Guys. There's an article in Gay magazine Attitude for Totally boyband and there's a section from Lee if you want to know what's in the article read on.......
What happened after Steps?
Well, I sarted in Grease on the west end. Did a few TV shows like The Games. And I started my own band. The Latch. The sound is pretty much commercial rock; a million miles away from Steps. It's not been moving along as quickly as I thought it would have. I got the wrong team around me and wasted a lot of time putting trust in people.

Surley you saw Totally Scott-Lee? Did it not make you think twice about doing this?
I did see it, yes. I actually only found out this was called Totally boyband the day of the press launch. And I'll be honest with you, and this isn't dissing Lisa at all in any way - 'cos she's one of my best friends - but if I'd have known this was gonna be called Totally boyband, well... it definitely gives a certain impression. We're not saying if we don't make the top 10 we're giving up for good. B******* to that. I think MTV have F***** up there. I even hate the term "boyband". This is a show about five guys coming together, from hugely successful pop bands, to see if we can do it again. It's not "can we be huge F****** megastars with this band?" because let's be realistic, we probably won't be. It's about seeing if we can write together, come up with a good name, create this whole process and make it work. There's no better feeling than going into the studio with a blank piece of a paper and a guitar and coming out with a whole song. We might not like each other, who knows, but so far it's all OK. But if this all flops on it's arse, every guy in this band has got an album or a project they've been working on, ready to go

Do you still speak to any of your old band mates?
I'm very good friends with Lisa and Faye. I spoke to Claire recently. I don't speak to H. I think it's obvious why. He's a good bloke. But I felt like a brother to him and I got stabbed int he back. It'll take me a long time to let that go.

You know you're breaking a nation of gayers' hearts by not doing this Steps renunion?
Well, that's not down to me. I think it's still possible for us to do, but that's out of my hands. I know people assume it's H saying no, but I don't speak to him so I don;'t know H'S feelings on this. I know how the girls feel about it. Some of them would, some perhaps feel it's a little too soon. Unfortunately, myself and two others didn't have a say in that. Two poeple wanted to leave,a nd we all know who those two people were now. But in my eyes, we should ahve done it properly and done a goodbye tour for the fans. They bought all your singles and came to your concerts and put you where you are. But I think some people forgot that.

Who's the token gayer in this band
Jimmy. Staright away. it's an in-joke within the band that Jimmy is. He's a dark horse, that one. But we're just taking the p***

Can you still remeber the rap for 5678?
It's quite insulting to rappers to call it a rap, don't you think? Finger-clicking is in there somewhere, but I can't remeber the rest of it.

Fave S-club song?
I didn't have one. Or a Steps record. I like U2, I liek Bon Jovi.. But I do like that one Bradley songs on. Dj's got the party started (Don't stop movin)

Fave H and Claire song?
Don't know any.

stepsfreak2002

23rd Aug 2006, 16:32

Stepstar90

23rd Aug 2006, 16:33

Thank you for posting this. I think Lee's views on H have been clear for a long time. I wonder if H has ever attempted to apologise and I bet Lee does remember his part of 5, 6, 7, 8 ;)

clairebear

23rd Aug 2006, 16:40

I bet he knows a H&C song as well
oh well... as the song goes
'I know we planned to stay together, we just ran into stormy weather..... I'm Movin On'

StepsUS1Fan

23rd Aug 2006, 16:45

Any good pictures of him in the magazine?

Stepsrcwl

23rd Aug 2006, 17:42

Any good pictures of him in the magazine?

There is a picture of the band but, that's it. The other members also have a short interview.

josey

23rd Aug 2006, 17:59

thanks for posting that up pretty good interview. i wonder if he does still know the 5678 rap lol

Water Goblinglitter

23rd Aug 2006, 18:07

Oh god, he so does know H and Claire songs! lol

jas2406

23rd Aug 2006, 18:20

Seems like quite a bitter time for Lee

Must be bad to be in something so successful and have it taken away form you and realise you have nothing to do

sand_tiger86

23rd Aug 2006, 19:14

cyllanl

23rd Aug 2006, 22:41

First of all thanks for the article it was nice reading it........................
I bet he knows a H&C song as well
oh well... as the song goes
'I know we planned to stay together, we just ran into stormy weather..... I'm Movin On'

ya he really needs to be movin on it was five years ago and he still needs to remember that the five of them had a very good history together in steps:)

Water Goblinglitter

23rd Aug 2006, 22:54

Id say he's not the only one that should remember that..........

SeanieB

23rd Aug 2006, 23:08

Bleh what a jerk...he needs to quit being a baby, it was five years ago. Everyone else has moved on. It's not like he did anything in the band anyway except the "rap" that he "can't remember" and dance. I just don't care for the way he talks about things, seems a little too pesimistic.

bit harsh really... he never wanted to leave the band when he did... it was forced upon him...

and if H was to say what he really thought - you'd be calling him worse than a jerk...

and I can beleive he doesnt know any Hnclaire songs... we know he has the album... coz carries lot gave him a copy...

but I have loads of albums where I've listened a few times and couldnt tell you any of the songs on them...

ya he really needs to be movin on it was five years ago and he still needs to remember that the five of them had a very good history together in steps

and he does know that... and if you infact read his answer... he says he wants to do a goodbye tour, but they all cant agree if its the right time

cyllanl

23rd Aug 2006, 23:15

and he does know that... and if you infact read his answer... he says he wants to do a goodbye tour, but they all cant agree if its the right time

sory i forgot about that................what if all of them are put in a room just the five of them and let them talk :)

SeanieB

23rd Aug 2006, 23:18

sory i forgot about that................what if all of them are put in a room just the five of them and let them talk :)

Good luck with tearing H away from his Shakespear lessons

Water Goblinglitter

23rd Aug 2006, 23:57

and I can beleive he doesnt know any Hnclaire songs... we know he has the album... coz carries lot gave him a copy...

LMAO............Oh god I so wasnt actually gonna say that! Im not sure he'd want us to.

Yes Lee does have a copy of H and Claires album. Tho whether he's even listened to it is another thing!:lol2:

Lizi

24th Aug 2006, 00:10

I have the album...cos my brother gave me it as a joke <_<

I'd only be able to name 2 of the songs on it other than the singles...one, cos it's the title track, and the other, cos it's the same title as one of my fave Take That songs! :lol:

Water Goblinglitter

24th Aug 2006, 00:17

LOl I have the album coz i bought it and went to signing for it too * nods*

SeanieB

24th Aug 2006, 00:25

I have the album...cos my brother gave me it as a joke <_<
god lizi its not that bad... how/why were you ever a steps fan... you seem to hate the lead singer... why?

I have the album cause I'm a STEPS fan and H and Claire were in STEPS...

Lizi

24th Aug 2006, 00:32

Sean...hate to break it to you...but H&Claire were not Steps...

I don't like their songs, all except for Half A Heart...which I actually don't mind.

I was and am a Steps fan...it does not mean I have to like everything they have all done since...
I'm a Latch fan...but I don't particularly like See Me...doesn't make me any less of a fan!

SeanieB

24th Aug 2006, 00:35

Sean...hate to break it to you...but H&Claire were not Steps...

Neither's Lisa... but I still bought Get it on

Lizi

24th Aug 2006, 00:40

And your point is?!

You were implying that by not wanting H&Claire's album I am in some way not as good a Steps fan as those who do...
Which is why I said that they're not Steps...so why should I have to want the album?!

I only buy singles/albums if I actually like them...what's so strange about that?!

shirley chong

24th Aug 2006, 01:44

well, Lee always did seem to me the least enthusiastic about Steps to start with...
Too bad he's still so bitter, although He is a bit right about feeling betrayed, and they should have done a goodbye tour, but oh well....
as for H & Claire...I think their album is great, too bad Lee is so bitter he's missed it.
but, to each its own, and if that attitude works for him, so be it.

kattozilla

24th Aug 2006, 04:33

steps kake

24th Aug 2006, 06:51

Didn't realise Lee was that pessimistic. Don't blame him for being upset by the split though, Steps were the best part of his career. Think he's being really rude when he speaks about H and Claire, that sort of thing should be kept to himself, he's only going to give himself a bad name saying things like that, even though they wern't too offensive.
Its kind of an insult that he can't remmber the 'rap' to 5678. You'd think it would be something he'd never forget, considering they had to perform the song at almost every concert in the 5 years Steps were a band.

Lizi

24th Aug 2006, 08:51

cyllanl

24th Aug 2006, 09:35

H & Claire's album was underated i mean it entered @ no.53 wasn't it, it had some really good tracks on there like "Too Close To Tears" my fav and of course "All Out Of Love" "DJ" & "All I Want Is You" to name but a few but not a lot of people went for it it's a shame really

i think the people who know the band members personally should tell them all to meet somewhere without them knowing an lock em in a room together until they work out all their differences i mean most of the other steppers got over H & Claire walking out 5 years ago so why can't lee but then again we don't know what it was like

ya i dont really get why their album fell to 53 maybe because people hated them for splitting steps or i dont know cause the songs in their are preety good but im not a big fan of Invincible and your a love song ,and i rather have over you and hold me in your arms to be in the album and i really like another u another me the vocals were great

SeanieB

24th Aug 2006, 10:11

I was trying to remember it earlier, and was struggling...and I think I've probably heard it more in the last 5 years than he has! :lol:

So, come on...without looking at the lyrics, listening to it...who CAN remember it?! :rofl:

foot kicking
finger clickiing
leather slapping
hand clapping
knee pushing ??
heel n toe
floor skuffing
leg chuffing
somthing ING (Big Grinning??)
Body spinning
romping, stomping, pumping, jumping
sliding, gliding, here we go

and whoever said we should tell them to all meet up and sort it out
thats a stupid idea cause the only one that would listen and actually do it would be Lisa:lol2:

ClaireFan1984

24th Aug 2006, 10:55

Thanks for psoting

Skittles

24th Aug 2006, 11:39

god lizi its not that bad... how/why were you ever a steps fan... you seem to hate the lead singer... why?

Which would make you a hypocrite because you constantly slag Lisa off on here. :mad:

:lol2: Interesting interview.

And for the record;

Foot kickin' - finger clickin' - leather slapping - hand clappin` - hip bumpin -
music thumpin - knee hitchin - heel and toe - floor scuffin - leg shufflin -
big grinnin - body spinnin - rompin stompin - pumpin jumpin - slidin glidin -
here we go

Tush pushin - thunder footin - cowgirl twisting - no resistin - drums bangin -
steel twangin - two steppin - end to end - hardwood crawlin - some four wallin -
rug cuttin - cowboy struttin - burning yearin - winding grinding -
lets begin the dance again

SeanieB

24th Aug 2006, 13:25

Which would make you a hypocrite because you constantly slag Lisa off on here. :mad:

well its not like she invites it by constantly being stupid and saying doing things that make her look like a t**t (See: nathan moore era, subsiquently the C.Birch in charge of bookings era)

mikeishere

24th Aug 2006, 13:32

i think lee's attiude too steps stinks to be honest with you, its as if all those years of being in steps where not really a part of his life the way he talks about's trying to remember lyrics and songs etc! If something as big as steps was a part of your life for 5 or so years you would at least try and remember things and answer questions in interviews as if you where in the band for god's sake!!! The way he talks about steps and trying to remember things about it, is as if it wasn't him in the band!! He sounds like someone who doesn't even like the band and he was in it!!! The fact he say's he hasn't got a fave steps song, wot sort of message is that giving out to the fans!! its like saying - "I performed all these songs to you with the band for 5 years and i didn't actually like the songs i wanted you too buy!" If it wasn't for him being in this band (and songs he never seemed to care about and lack of enthuismam for the band,) it wouldn't of got him where he is today! AND THIS IS IS ATTIUDE TO IT!! I know if i was an ex-band member and couldn't remember a song or say i liked at least a few of the songs i used to perform and got the public to buy i would feel shamefull that i couldn't remember or say i liked things that where once a part of my life!! Being a fan of steps his attuide makes me feel hurt and anoyed that after all that, that's how he really felt about the band and he can't even say he likes at least one of the steps songs!!! This attiude makes me feel anoyed , hurt and his message makes me think why if you never relly bothered about the band after all this time did i?
But luckly for lee their wasn't just him in the band so it's not as if he was a solo singer and i had bought all this records after all these years and he didn't care, this would have hurt more!

LEE'S ATTIUDE TO STEPS STICKS!!!:sad: :mad:

SeanieB

24th Aug 2006, 13:43

LEE'S ATTIUDE TO STEPS STICKS!!!:sad: :mad:

Does it... I'd say H's is worse these days

odi.2006

24th Aug 2006, 13:53

can somebody explain what happened to H and Lee? :)

Lizi

24th Aug 2006, 13:55

The fact he say's he hasn't got a fave steps song, wot sort of message is that giving out to the fans!! its like saying - "I performed all these songs to you with the band for 5 years and i didn't actually like the songs i wanted you too buy!"
I don't get why people give Lee such a hard time for being honest...he always admitted to Steps not being his kinda music...what the hell is actually wrong with that?!

Would you rather he'd lied to you all those years "yeah, I love cheesy pop, 5678's my fave song ever!"...would you not have then wondered what the hell he was doing with The Latch and questioned it, then to find out he'd been lieing to you for 5 years?! How would THAT have made you feel?!

Ooo...and these are the bits I knew, though in some cases I was a lil unsure of the order:
Foot kickin' - finger clickin' - leather slapping - hand clappin` - hip bumpin -
music thumpin - knee hitchin - heel and toe - floor scuffin - leg shufflin -
big grinnin - body spinnin - rompin stompin - pumpin jumpin - slidin glidin -
here we go

Tush pushin - thunder footin - cowgirl twisting - no resistin - drums bangin -
steel twangin - two steppin - end to end - hardwood crawlin - some four wallin -
rug cuttin - cowboy struttin - burning yearin - winding grinding -
lets begin the dance again

damatrix

24th Aug 2006, 15:55

crazy vampire

24th Aug 2006, 16:22

Thanks for the article. It's always good to know more about Steps. I kinda feel bad for Lee, since he seems to have taken the break-up the hardest. I mean, come on, it's almost 5 years after the fact. Isn't it time to be movin' on?

so do i and i hated the two who broke the band up - me and a friend was upset when we heard and i felt was annoyed

but i missed Lee and Faye being in the limelight etc and lisa

steps

24th Aug 2006, 17:03

He changed so much since in the steps days. I don't like him any more. Steps split almost 6 years ago why is he still blaming H and Claire.

bringbacksteps

24th Aug 2006, 17:25

hey guys

in 3am it claims Lee has been fired from Totally Boyband due to his attitude

duno if its true

SeanieB

24th Aug 2006, 17:30

He changed so much since in the steps days. I don't like him any more. Steps split almost 6 years ago why is he still blaming H and Claire.

6 months after STEPS split... H&Claire were still the two that quit STEPS - therefor were to blame

6 years after STEPS split... H&Claire are still the two that quit STEPS - therefor were to blame

60 years after STEPS split... H&Claire will still be the two that quit STEPS - therefor were to blame

and

6million years after STEPS split... H&Claire will still be the two that quit STEPS - therefor were to blame

smelleykins

24th Aug 2006, 17:44

lol yeah so basically either way you look at it H&Claire - no matter what anyone says - will be the ones to blame for the split! x

crazy vampire

24th Aug 2006, 17:48

He changed so much since in the steps days. I don't like him any more. Steps split almost 6 years ago why is he still blaming H and Claire.

honey can i say when steps split did you not blame H & Claire for splitting the band up? it was H & Claire's words & stubbornness that forced the other three to give in even though the other three prob insisted to stay together for longer etc and would you not have been annoyed & mad?

i know i was and i am still a bit

Truestepper

24th Aug 2006, 18:11

I dunno why people are saying he has a bad attitude in that interview. Its not THAT bad at all. Hes been quite nice about H too. Tho think about it, theres obv a reason why he doesn't speak to H, but he does to Claire (and no its got nowt to do with the gay thing).
As for H and Claire and the split, well I maintain that the only people that can still be piseed of by that are those involved. As fans, get over it!

Lizi

24th Aug 2006, 18:27

I dunno why people are saying he has a bad attitude in that interview. Its not THAT bad at all.
Just not used to such honesty I guess...it's quite refreshing I think...:rofl:

Truestepper

24th Aug 2006, 18:46

He's not totally perfect tho!
Oh and how can not like See Me - its FAB!

Lizi

24th Aug 2006, 19:16

He's not totally perfect tho!
Oh and how can not like See Me - its FAB!

Of course he ain't! No-one is.

See Me...I'm just sick of it...

sand_tiger86

24th Aug 2006, 20:57

smelleykins

24th Aug 2006, 21:04

i love hearing peoples views on the split. In all fairness yeh - this can be discussed over and over again. the only thing i have to say is - only 5 people know why the split happened. end of. Now um everyone get over it - its been 5 years! x

cyllanl

24th Aug 2006, 22:07

SeanieB

24th Aug 2006, 22:26

Ok seriously...nobody knows anything more than the fact that H and Claire left, therefore automatically laying the blame on them. The fact is, they left and did the same kind of style that Steps had so doesn't that say that the reason they left was probably because of the rest of the group? Faye never seemed to adore Steps, and neither did Lee...especially Lee. Maybe they left because they were sick of the others? It's easy to lay blame on whoever left first, especially when the other three claim to have been "devasted" afterward.

well as far as Lisa Lee and faye were concerned they were going to do another album so they couldnt have hated being in STEPS that much...
And I am the most loyal and devoted Claire fan in the world, but she did it all wrong, and I'd bet my life savings on her agreeing with me!

SeanieB

24th Aug 2006, 22:27

And I'd dissagree that H&Claire were 'sick' of the others...thats just you making excuses to have a go at lee for still hating saint H of wales...

Pop Fact: H is a coward :)

Truestepper

24th Aug 2006, 22:30

Sick of the others - yea that'll explain why she said many time that she missed Faye the most!

Water Goblinglitter

25th Aug 2006, 00:04

I actually get really annoyed when people say " None of us know this and none of us know that" coz actually some of us do!!!! and you should just speak for yourself!

H and Claire did not leave Steps coz they were sick of the others. They left coz they felt the time had come. Yes they did it in a bad way but then they know that themselves now ( or they simply would not have made up with the other 3) so yes in that sense Lee shouldnt still be going on about it.

Truestepper

25th Aug 2006, 00:07

*volunteers to slap Lee with a wet fish*

Its sad that he can't get over it, I guess esp cos he does speak to Claire (and prolly alot more than he makes out). Meh, bloody men and their 'pride'!

Water Goblinglitter

25th Aug 2006, 00:10

Lol I still get annoyed when people talk crap about it. Im sure they think theyre being ever so devoted H and Claire fans but in reality if they really loved them, they'd recognised what they did( coz BELIEVE me, both H and Claire have) but realise that everone makes mistakes and still love them anyway. Trying to blame it on the other 3 is just pathetic frankly.

Poprox

25th Aug 2006, 06:12

just speak for yourself!

This sums up this entire thread.

mikeishere

25th Aug 2006, 10:03

Well I guess if he wants to be honest then that's his choice. Mikeishere you don't realise that not everyone likes their music to produce despite you producing it for the fans. Yes he does seem ungrateful but not by much to be honest, he's being honest. What's wrong with being honest? It may have got him to here at this point in time because of Steps, but he doesn't need to say that I loved being in Steps, and everything in the song was my favourite... He would be liing. Honesty is the best policy I reckon.

Then again he could have pulled out and got replaced before Last Thing ony my mind was released. Wasn't there originally going to be 5,6,7,8 as a single and that's it - but managed to get a contact?

So why the heck did he go in steps then? If he liked rock why didn't in go in a rock band from the off? Or was steps a way to raise his profile as if it was thats all he seems to do anything for all this life as that's the only reason he does all these reality shows!! He even admited he only went in totally boyband to raise the profile of (crap) "The latch"! Its like some mega star like robbie willlams or someone from the beetales or abba etc, coming forward and saying i hate the music we did just imagine the uproar and how all those fans must feel! By lee saying all these things about not really likeing being in steps and not liking the style of music if thats the case why didn't he quit and leave? and replace him with someone that atually cared about the group and didn't just go along for the sake of it!!:mad: No wonder h and claire spilt it sounds to me they quit because they where the only people who cared for the group and if you think about it if thats the case thats probs why they went away and left the group and sang the same style of music as steps, as they probs thought if the others don't care we will go along and carry on the steps music without the others as a duo! Thats my theory! I sorry but i hate lee's attiude to the group and how he can say this after all the suceess he's had with the group AND ALL THE FANS WHO WENT OUT AND BOUGHT THE STEPS STUFF AND PUT HIM WHERE HE IS TODAY!! hes going to loose fans like me by saying these sort of things! he sounds like a spoilt kid!! And yes i would probs prefer him to lie that he did actually like steps and what he was doing in the group instead of sounding like he was only in their for the sake of it!!

Oh go on lee, go and do what you have always wanted to do go and be a rock star and pretend steps never happened and forget about all your fans that bought the music you didn't ACTUALLY OF STEPS while your their as by saying you hate everything about steps you meant as well forget about all all us fans as well who bought the steps music and bought you where you are today!!!:mad: SPOILT KID!!!!

SeanieB

25th Aug 2006, 10:15

Mikeishere you dont half talk BOLLARDS get over your hatred for Lee and go pleasure yourself over saint H

SeanieB

25th Aug 2006, 10:17

Oh go on lee, go and do what you have always wanted to do go and be a rock star and pretend steps never happened and forget about all your fans that bought the music you didn't ACTUALLY OF STEPS while your their as by saying you hate everything about steps you meant as well forget about all all us fans as well who bought the steps music and bought you where you are today!!!:mad: SPOILT KID!!!!

and for the record - THAT sort of attitude really offends Lee.
He knows his fans are steps fans!
And did you not read the actual interview you 'tard? He says they should reform for the very reason YOU say he hates STEPS fans... YOU'RE the SPOILT KID!!!!

mikeishere

25th Aug 2006, 10:26

and for the record - THAT sort of attitude really offends Lee.
He knows his fans are steps fans!
And did you not read the actual interview you 'tard? He says they should reform for the very reason YOU say he hates STEPS fans... YOU'RE the SPOILT KID!!!!
ok i just had another look and he does say he wanted to end steps the proper way and do a goodbye tour as "after all they bought your singles and went to your concerts"! ok can forgive in someway but i was sort of offeneded being a fan by what he said about not liking the songs etc when he was in the flaming group!

mikeishere

25th Aug 2006, 10:28

and for the record - THAT sort of attitude really offends Lee.
He knows his fans are steps fans!
And did you not read the actual interview you 'tard? He says they should reform for the very reason YOU say he hates STEPS fans... YOU'RE the SPOILT KID!!!!

Does it matter i only no him couse of his fame not on a personal level, may never meet him and if i did how would he know it was me if you can't see me on here?????????

SeanieB

25th Aug 2006, 12:39

Does it matter i only no him couse of his fame not on a personal level, may never meet him and if i did how would he know it was me if you can't see me on here?????????
:twitch: So I'm probably never gonna meet Kylie but that doesn't give me the right to make up statements about her which are not true

Water Goblinglitter

25th Aug 2006, 12:50

Ha ha!

Mike, you really don't know what you're talking about. Lee during Steps always had more time for the fans than any of them. Even if he was knackered. Even if he was in a bad mood. Hardly the behaviour of someone who doesnt care about his fans is it?

Lizi

25th Aug 2006, 15:06

Mike...with your attitude, you don't really deserve to meet him...sorry, but he always makes sure he has a chat to the fans at The Latch's gigs...he did when he was in Grease as well...and Carrie has said it was the same when he was in Steps.

You are getting MUCH too worked up about the fact he didn't like Steps' music...it shouldn't make a difference, he stuck it out, had he left like you suggest - Steps could quite easily have ended a lot sooner!

Stepsrcwl

25th Aug 2006, 16:11

No one can say Lee hated Steps! Look at the times he wrote songs for the tour like We're gonna have a party (Which he also let the tweenies use on their album) and if he hated POP that much he would not have joined Steps and he wouldn't have written a decent pop song like Turn around (it's not rock is it!!!) and the others.
Stepsrcwl
XxX

PhllyBeef

25th Aug 2006, 16:22

Ok guys, mikeishere has been formally warned about this and I'm sure if he raises a ruckus, he'll be formally warned again. We had a really interesting discussion going on; can we please resume it?

Skittles

25th Aug 2006, 16:32

Re-reading the interview, he does come across as a bit of an arse by saying he never had a favourite Steps track. Even if it was only "the best of a bad bunch" or "the one I hated the least", it should be easy to choose a "favourite".

To put it into context; I cannot abide 'The Beatles', everything about them is vile, but if pressed for an answer I'd say "Yellow Submarine" is my "favourite" track by them, because I can bear it longer than the others.

SeanieB

25th Aug 2006, 16:59

Also Mike if you hate lee so much why were u kissing his arse on his website telling him to do more naked photoshoots...

I think you're unstable :)

BlueLina

25th Aug 2006, 17:08

ok after reading all this reviews, and after all what happend
*I FEEL LIKE A FOOL*

Water Goblinglitter

25th Aug 2006, 17:32

Ok guys, mikeishere has been formally warned about this and I'm sure if he raises a ruckus, he'll be formally warned again. We had a really interesting discussion going on; can we please resume it?

lol SPEAK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Truestepper

25th Aug 2006, 18:41

Of course Lee had a fav Steps track - Stomp! Seriously, what about the ones HE wrote - ok 2 were crap, but the one of Buzz was fab.

sand_tiger86

25th Aug 2006, 22:55

And I'd dissagree that H&Claire were 'sick' of the others...thats just you making excuses to have a go at lee for still hating saint H of wales...

Pop Fact: H is a coward :)

Me Fact: I hate H with a passion. It's Claire I love. <3

jas2406

25th Aug 2006, 23:58

Most people in manufactured bands don't actually like the stuff they release and view it as a Job, Mel C Bryan McFatten and Robbie as three examples

But when you are earning a lot of money for something you can do easily it is very hard to actually say no and walk out

If you really enjoyed performing and haveing millions of people adore you and scream for you at concerts you would keep doing it even if you didnt like the music

You cant compare acts like ABBA and the Beatles to Steps and the like. Because these acts were formed mostly by themselves and they created their own music. Manufactured pop bands are great but they are that manufactured

For people that think the people in these kind of bands are in it for the music do you think SJP has released a fragrance becuase she always wanted to be in the perfumery business? No its just another aspect of Money Making that you can do

Fame and Money overrides the music in the end

And I don't know for sure but I think that H&Claire didnt leave to form their own duo, but were probably coerced into it by Tim Byrne who saw it as a potential money maker after the split

SeanieB

26th Aug 2006, 01:06

I wouldn't say H or Claire were FORCED!

The idea may have been suggested, (at what point in time is up for debate!)

BlueLina

26th Aug 2006, 13:53

Of course Lee had a fav Steps track - Stomp! Seriously, what about the ones HE wrote - ok 2 were crap, but the one of Buzz was fab.
Thank you you said wha i wanted to say ;)
Most people in manufactured bands don't actually like the stuff they release and view it as a Job, Mel C Bryan McFatten and Robbie as three examples

But when you are earning a lot of money for something you can do easily it is very hard to actually say no and walk out

If you really enjoyed performing and haveing millions of people adore you and scream for you at concerts you would keep doing it even if you didnt like the music
I kinda agree on those points..

Stepstar90

26th Aug 2006, 16:49

Just because a group were put together by someone else doesn't mean they're any more in the industry to make money than a band that have chosen to form a band themselves.

jas2406

26th Aug 2006, 20:27

Just because a group were put together by someone else doesn't mean they're any more in the industry to make money than a band that have chosen to form a band themselves.

No , however a person in a manufactured band is more likely to dislike the music they release because they have less control over the end product

josey

26th Aug 2006, 20:56

well i dont know waht to say on this discussion, tbh 5,10,15 even 20 years after the steps split people will still be discussing who,s fault it was they split,but @ the end of the days its nearley 6 years ago n they apart from lee n h now speak, i dont know why they dont, they probably never will, plus @ the end of the day the only people who know why stesp split is the band their selves n friends n family,think it was mel who said lee was actualy quite nice about h in his inteview.

SeanieB

26th Aug 2006, 21:06

No , however a person in a manufactured band is more likely to dislike the music they release because they have less control over the end product

and of course all self made bands have total control over waht music they make and release:twitch:

PhllyBeef

26th Aug 2006, 23:51

Many self-made bands have very little control over their first few commercial releases with a major label; mostly because the label wants to ensure they have chosen a "winning team" that will successfully earn the label a lot of money. By micromanaging the band for the first while, they can be certain of the end product.

I think the debate is over the fact that if STEPS were auditioned, writers were hired for them, their music honed and fine-tuned for a specific audience, and their image just as closely tweaked, did it affect their opinion of their "job" of being in STEPS?

Water Goblinglitter

27th Aug 2006, 00:28

The point that some people seem to miss is that although certain members(if not all) didnt actually love the music it does not mean under any circumstances that they didnt love the job and the fans and wernt 100% devoted. These same peopel should learn not to view the world in such black and white.

Quazar

27th Aug 2006, 07:12

and of course all self made bands have total control over waht music they make and release:twitch:
no, not all, but if you look at the majority of the "real" bands, like U2, Rolling Stones, Queen, Status Quo, Pink Floyd, who all started and worked their way up to stardom from performing in small back street gigs to massive outdoor events, you'll find very few record companies would even try to dictate to them what they should do, even in their early stages.
Take Queen purely as an example... EMI tried to stop them from releasing Bohemian Rhapsody as a single because they said it was both too long and had no chance of getting played on the radio as it wasnt "hit" material. Freddie and the band stood their ground and threatened to leave the label (after all, they really werent all that well known before bo-rhap) and look what happened from then on.
All this was back in the days when music was actually selling on vynil and CD's
These days, record companies have all the small print to suit them so if a band is being signed, they have to agree to some terms that may sound irrelevant at the time, but can be disasterous for the band in the longer term.
Manufacured bands like Steps are really no more than paid session artists and tied to a contract to do what the company wants or else.

hsteps

30th Aug 2006, 15:08

*random question*

Why did Josey get a warning for her message?? (page 8)

*looks miffed*

Water Goblinglitter

30th Aug 2006, 18:03

Lol yeah I wondered that actually!

Quazar

30th Aug 2006, 18:36

well at a guess i'd say apart from it being one heck of a long sentance,..... its obviously never been checked over before hitting the submit button

hsteps

30th Aug 2006, 20:50

Aaaaaaha, Yes I see now. I thought maybe she had said something and it had been deleted already!

No offence but im totally used to people not checking spellings and/or grammer. I just read past it all and work out what the posts are MEANT to say, lol! I cant talk though, my spelling etc is RRRUUUUUBISH! :lol2:

knightr634

30th Aug 2006, 21:04

You know the article, is the reason that Lee was 'sacked' cos of what he's said. I mean his enthusiasim isn't great about the boyband

Skittles

31st Aug 2006, 12:43

Well we know Lee was only in it "for the experience" and wanted to release one single and boost his profile.

Some members of the band had visions of huge successes and world tours, which Lee wouldn't want to do because he's committed to his own band.

SeanieB

31st Aug 2006, 13:07

knightr634

31st Aug 2006, 14:02

*cough* dane bowers *cough*

josey

31st Aug 2006, 18:51

well i ddint like to ask exactly why i,d had a warning! buttthink it was becausei never used any punctuation?, yeah know thw sentence was abit long but i,ve read other long sentences on here, but still i,m not going to pick over it, plus sometimes i do click sumbit without checking.

knightr634

31st Aug 2006, 19:28

like your post there then

*dorky*

2nd Sep 2006, 14:22

ok back 2 the post...

y don't lee like H?
what did he do?
why did he 'stab him in the back'?

(sorry if the question has been answered but im half asleep 2day+i still dont know y him+H dont like each other)

To b honest....i thought Lee never did like STEPS...he always seemed the odd one out...

he never sung...he was always in the corner in photoshoots...he didnt seem as enthusiastic 2 do stuff as the others...

i dont blame him 4 not liking STEPS...i remember reading sumwhere that he didnt have a clue what he was singing about until BUZZ so...

Lee seems like he should be in a rock band...hes set with the Latch...

he should of been with a rock band all along...not in a cheesy camp pop band for most of his career...

if he has been sacked from that Tv show...its a good job...it sounds like its gonna b a crash+burn Tv show like Channel 4s show 'boys will b girls'...that was awful...mayb his name will be saved and not ruined...

Stepstar90

2nd Sep 2006, 15:40

ok back 2 the post...

y don't lee like H?
what did he do?
why did he 'stab him in the back'?

Lee doesn't like H because H and Claire left Steps without telling the other members, including Lee until the night of their last performance, Lee had been friends with H and he thought of him as a brother and was therefore stabbed in the back by him when he quit in a sly way after five years of friendship.

SeanieB

2nd Sep 2006, 15:51

id say there was probably a bit more to it than that... mostly surrounding the actuall telling of the others that they was leaving... (see my coward statement few pages back)

knightr634

3rd Sep 2006, 13:22

Can anyone tell me when he made up with Claire?

SeanieB

3rd Sep 2006, 13:37

He never properly fell out with her we dont think... they just didn't speak for a long time...

But it was last year sometime they started speaking properly

*dorky*

3rd Sep 2006, 16:05

Lee doesn't like H because H and Claire left Steps without telling the other members, including Lee until the night of their last performance, Lee had been friends with H and he thought of him as a brother and was therefore stabbed in the back by him when he quit in a sly way after five years of friendship.

right...thanx...

hes soooooo dwellin the past...

it was 5 yrs ago LEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i can understand how he would be a little pissed off at first but after 5 yrs...

Kermit

3rd Sep 2006, 16:53

Well it takes two. And if H hasnt bothered to get in touch with Lee then why should Lee try with H. Lee has every right to still be pissed off at the whole situation.

Lizi

3rd Sep 2006, 17:19

right...thanx...

hes soooooo dwellin the past...

it was 5 yrs ago LEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i can understand how he would be a little pissed off at first but after 5 yrs...

You know, it's been more than 5 years since some people, whom I considered my best friends at the time, messed me around...I still haven't forgiven them, and never intend to...but I also barely ever think of them, they're not a part of my life anymore - am I dwelling in the past? Should I get over what they did to me?
At the end of the day, it's up to Lee whether he wants to speak to H again or not, and we should respect his choice - everyone's different, some people are able to forgive things others can't.

hsteps

3rd Sep 2006, 17:46

If Lee was that bothered he could always get in touch with H and sort it out, instead he throws hints out in magazines ect. Obviously hes more fussed that H by it.

SeanieB

3rd Sep 2006, 18:17

YAWN H is perfect, Lee's not... etc etc...

this thread is like a vicious circle of the same random crap comments over and over...

They asked a question - lee answered it honestly, like he does all the time, and the h fans have a go for it... blah blah blah

I don't think this thread is actually going to come to a sand rational conclusion so i think its best we leave it here

Truestepper

3rd Sep 2006, 18:19

Well not really Jo, not when you remember H slagged Lee alot more on H side.

knightr634

3rd Sep 2006, 18:36

Yeah, H said something about Lee wanting to be a rock star and to get a life (something like that including a load of swearing if i remember rightly)

hsteps

3rd Sep 2006, 21:00

I didnt say H was perfect Sean, but with you its any excuse to have a dig isnt it chuck! Youre like a broken record and its actually quite amusing these days. I can pretty much guarantee youll come out with some old crap about H, makes me smile anyway!
Nowhere in my post says that H is perfect but of course everyone knows the sun shines from Lees arse.... yadda yadda yadda........ *snore**eye roll* *head shake*

And Mel, H didnt say anything about wanting to talk to Lee again in H side nor did I imply he ever has. The whole point of my post was to say if Lee was bothered why doesnt he do something about it instead of saying "H is a backstabbing ***" in numerous interviews. Everyone knows what H and Claire did/didnt do around the split and also the fact that H hasnt bothered to make his reasons clear when he should have whereas Claire quite obviously has. If you still wanted to be friends with someone or wanted to patch things up you dont sit on your arse and wait for the other person to say something because 9 times out of 10 they wont. You either do something about it or shut the hell up and move on.
Like I said Lee is obviously more bothered by what happened than H is seeing as H has never been in touch to say sorry to Lee for getting on with things and not giving a proper reason why they left so suddenly. This would also imply that it aint gonna happen in the near future so why wait?

The H Side thing Knightr, H said Lee wanted to be rockier and cooler in the begining of Steps but they had just released 5678...... a line dancing record......c'mon. As much as id like to defend Lee here thats not cool or rock is it really. Oh and he said to grow up, not get a life. Way back then it would have been pretty accurate.

SeanieB

3rd Sep 2006, 21:54

well what H said on H side story wasnt true... it was an excuse to have a dig at Lees chosen path since steps split...

Lee knew what STEPS was and was never expecting to be ROCKY with them...

PS does H sell rose tinted glasses in bulk?

Truestepper

3rd Sep 2006, 22:16

Looking at what they've both said on eachother, Lee has been the most honest. Lee has commented on the actual situation which has affected his relationship with H. Yes if he wanted to he could approach H, but he probably doesn't want too. But as has been said, he was asked about it and answered honestly. If he'd said no comment or slated H's route of work, people still wouldnt be happy. Either way, he can't win. H just had this random dig at Lee, which served no relevance - if it WAS about peoples preference in music, why not have a dig at Faye too? Her first choice in music wouldnt be cheesy pop either.
Lee has been very honest when asked with his views on BOTH H and Claire and I respect him on that. Tho the fact he is speaking to Claire, says alot about how she conducted herself to how H did. Neither acted properly in the situation at all tho!

Lizi

3rd Sep 2006, 23:20

H just had this random dig at Lee, which served no relevance
Here, here!

hsteps

3rd Sep 2006, 23:27

well what H said on H side story wasnt true... it was an excuse to have a dig at Lees chosen path since steps split...
What a load of bollox. How do you know Lee didnt say something along those lines? Hes always said he wanted to be rockier. It was Hs opinion at the time, ie in 1997 therefore to him it was TRUE!

PS does H sell rose tinted glasses in bulk?
He couldnt get hold of any after all the Lee fans bought them up!!! :bleh:

Looking at what they've both said on each other, Lee has been the most honest. Lee has commented on the actual situation which has affected his relationship with H.
So ermmmmmm why not do something about it? That was all I was asking in my origional post which was all of 2 whole lines long and managed to generate a load of old crap for some reason, mainly it would seem, just to slag off H YET again! :D

if it WAS about peoples preference in music, why not have a dig at Faye too? Her first choice in music wouldnt be cheesy pop either.

She wasnt mentioned obviously because it wasnt her who made a twatty comment about a line dancing pop group gettin' all rock on our asses!:crazy:

Truestepper

4th Sep 2006, 00:07

Maybe he doesn't WANT to too, hes commented on how H WAS too him then - he obv hurt him too much to ever go back. They asked him, he answered, he didn't HAVE to say any of what he did, but he did and he still gets **** for it. Why doesn't H try and patch things up, afterall, hes the one in the wrong. Lee has NO reason to approach H and if he doesn't want to, then thats his choice.
Yeah Lee prolly woulda preferred being in 5ive or something and yes some of his comments on Steps (liike not having a fav song - wtf??) are stupid, BUT he never dismisses what he achieved with Steps and won't 100% rule out a reunion (which is sensible, cos you never know whats gonna happen in the future).

hsteps

4th Sep 2006, 00:41

:twitch: Maybe he doesn't WANT to too, hes commented on how H WAS too him then - he obv hurt him too much to ever go back. They asked him, he answered, he didn't HAVE to say any of what he did, but he did and he still gets **** for it. Why doesn't H try and patch things up, afterall, hes the one in the wrong. Lee has NO reason to approach H and if he doesn't want to, then thats his choice.
Yeah Lee prolly woulda preferred being in 5ive or something and yes some of his comments on Steps (liike not having a fav song - wtf??) are stupid, BUT he never dismisses what he achieved with Steps and won't 100% rule out a reunion (which is sensible, cos you never know whats gonna happen in the future).

He could always say it was 5 years ago, get over it just like people say on here! Ive not given him **** for it if thats what you are implying, I just asked why he hadnt tried to sort it out before now if he was that bothered. I dont see why you and Sean jump down my throat for making an observation, just like every other fecking time. H keeps his gob shut and gets on with it, others dont and choose to say things in interviews which is up to them but if Lee makes a comment like that do you not expect others to say something about it or is it purely because im an H fan so im not actually ALLOWED an opinion?! Dont bother coming up with the "you think the sun shines out of Hs butt" line either as you know full well I definatly DONT think like that! Im sure H KNOWS what he did was out of order its not as if it would come as some kind of revelation to the guy. Maybe he didnt see Lee as the "brother" type in the same way Lee says. Lee after all did say he could have beaten the **** out of H in Steps, very brotherly im sure.:lol2:
I didnt pay any attention to the song thing tbh, I dont think its that big of a deal. He may not have just one favorite, he may love them ALL!
H hasnt ruled out a reunion either has he, hes just said hes happy doing what hes doing now which is totally true and hes fecking good at it too.Plus hes getting regular jobs and people actually want to audition him and sign him up for work which hes happy doing AND hes got this production company starting thats going to revive some plays ect so hes not exactly short of work. ( I cant justify panto im afraid, that HAS to be just for the money!)
Its been less than 5 years since the split so why have a reunion now? It just seems silly to me. Give it another 5 years and they may all get together. I wouldnt be surprised if H said no to it then though especially after getting nearly 5 years of total crap from so called "fans" either!:twitch:

Truestepper

4th Sep 2006, 00:56

Yeah but Jo, you can say to the fans to get over it, but this was personal, this was him sh***ing on his friends from a big height.
I stand by what I've said for a long time. If AYAM hadn't bombed, H would NEVER have quit music and slagged it like he did.
H ISN'T the only one to get crap from the fans tho - all of them get slagged of for something, so its not just him!
Don't assume tho that this Production Company will be a runaway success - it might be great, it might bomb as well, you never know. And him dismissing any return to the music biz is being foolish!

Water Goblinglitter

4th Sep 2006, 01:00

Maybe there havent been enough apologies and explanations going round. Im not going into it coz I feel 5 years on its not important ( and I wasnt there/part of it either obviously) but there are reasons Claire is seen in a better light by some people. But yes the point I think a lot of people still dont get is that things never were as cutsey cutsey as they were made out and you can't go back to something that was never there.

More importantly im very tired ands you've all made me read through long posts so big smacked bums!

hsteps

4th Sep 2006, 08:22

More importantly im very tired ands you've all made me read through long posts so big smacked bums!

Sorry Carrie! Concidering all these posts are from me asking one simple question I think its all total bollox and a complete waste of time tbh.

Yeah but Jo, you can say to the fans to get over it, but this was personal, this was him sh***ing on his friends from a big height.
Annnnd you think I or even Mr W as well plus all the other H fans dont realise that anyway? Everyone knows Lee feels let down and rightly so imo but does he really have to keep going over it when hes asked? Faye doesnt bother anymore regardless of the fact she is talking to everyone now. She just glosses over it. Im sure Lee and H have crossed paths a few times,one being Lisas wedding. If they actually wanted to still be mates im sure they could have swapped numbers and at least talked things through rather than Lee not even being able to "Look H in the face" what kind of comment is that to make? Its also not as if theres 3 lovley girlies who have both their numbers, either of them could get it somehow couldnt they!

I stand by what I've said for a long time. If AYAM hadn't bombed, H would NEVER have quit music and slagged it like he did. Have I not agreed with you on that too and many times over? H and C didnt work so H has gone on to try and do something else. What wrong with that? Do you expect him to sit on his arse and rake in cash by doing loads of "Woe is me im a broke ex pop star and ill have to sell a kidney on Ebay or take part in IACGMOOH just to pay the morgage" interviews?
H ISN'T the only one to get crap from the fans tho - all of them get slagged of for something, so its not just him! And im facking sick of it. Its ok for other peoples fans to defend who they like but as soon as an H fan does they get jumped on because apparently everythings Hs fault and no-one had a part in any of it.Sean for one thinks its highly amusing to slag H off at every given oppotunity which I have to say has become really boring,tedious and, ok pretty entertaining as I KNOW hes going to have a dig at some point, he just cant help himself,bless!

Don't assume tho that this Production Company will be a runaway success - it might be great, it might bomb as well, you never know. And him dismissing any return to the music biz is being foolish!
Im not assuming anything and I didnt say it would be but at least im showing a little bit of enthusiasm. No ones said Fayes music career will fail after she built her own recording studio so why should this be any different. Why should H want to go back into music in the pop/singles release sence when at the moment hes having the time of his life doing theatre stuff and isnt interested in the slightest in a music career right now. Hes said before he would never be a sucess as a solo artist so why should he put himself through all that then HAVE to do a reunion thing? How do YOU know the production company will fail anyway? Hes not even tried anything out or produced anything yet and youre dooming it already. You could at least show a vague bit of support luv!! :sad:

Maybe there havent been enough apologies and explanations going round. Im not going into it coz I feel 5 years on its not important ( and I wasnt there/part of it either obviously) but there are reasons Claire is seen in a better light by some people. But yes the point I think a lot of people still dont get is that things never were as cutsey cutsey as they were made out and you can't go back to something that was never there.

Thank you Carrie, an inteligent reply at last and without slagging anyone off, thank god! :)

SeanieB

4th Sep 2006, 11:26

Fact is... H was a coward and let Claire tell the others what was happening on their own...

Such a role model

hsteps

4th Sep 2006, 11:57

Fact is... H was a coward and let Claire tell the others what was happening on their own...

Such a role model

And still going on about it 5 years later without actually doing anything about it is a good thing then yes? Oh but there again youre still doing the crap H putdown gags after 5 years so for you that would actually be right. FACT!:lol2:

Like Carrie said, maybe theres nothing there to actually salvage so whats the point?

*totally off topic* Theres a new piccie of Lee in footie gear on gettyimages if anyones interested.:D

knightr634

4th Sep 2006, 12:07

Actually, I completley forgot to ask:

Does anyone know what happened at Lisa's wedding with H and Lee? Did they ignore eachother and did they speak?

SeanieB

4th Sep 2006, 13:05

And still going on about it 5 years later without actually doing anything about it is a good thing then yes? Oh but there again youre still doing the crap H putdown gags after 5 years so for you that would actually be right. FACT!:lol2:

I'm sure if the roles were reversed you lot would have dropped it after a couple of days, you and H are afterall... perfect:lol2:

and I think the issue is... that H hasn't shown any remorse for what he did(n't do)

Water Goblinglitter

4th Sep 2006, 13:45

Thank you Carrie, an inteligent reply at last and without slagging anyone off, thank god! :)

Bless you, your children and your childrens children!:D

Have i missed something, whats this about a production company?

oh and yes I think they ignored each other ( Re: Lisas wedding)

hsteps

4th Sep 2006, 15:07

I'm sure if the roles were reversed you lot would have dropped it after a couple of days, you and H are afterall... perfect:lol2:

and I think the issue is... that H hasn't shown any remorse for what he did(n't do)

I dout it, its all in your ickle mind luv! Try as we might we can never be as perfect as you Sean, after all everyone knows theres not ONE fault to find with anyone from YOUR realm! :bleh: *where the hells the sarcastic smilie? oh, tis will have to do* :p

At least we can admit when H fucks up and not gloss over things that hes said and done as being normal. It makes me chuckle that the only person who thinks H and his fans are perfect is infact YOU.....thanks, MWA xxx

Carrie, H has just started up his own theatre production company. Its not even got a name yet as far as I know but hes looking to revive some old productions in the new year (inbetween another musical and panto obv!) nothings been signed but hes happy with how things are going at the mo...whatever they may be. Its something else under his belt anyway. If he cant get work he can make it himself,lol I like his STYLE!