Can Frankie cut it?

[magicpatch]

I'm putting this here instead of the main forum so people don't start getting worried.

I'm not trying to start a rumour, its mearly me just speculating on what I've been talking to people about.

Can we keep this as serious are possible and not like "yeah of course cos she's well fit" ... :whistle:

Been thinking, Daisy today revealed that she has started theatre school, we don't know if this is full or part time. Frankie obviously gets the majority of the new song Dreaming, Calvin is mearly providing backing vocals for the majority of the song.

Is there a masterplan in place behind this I Dream series to launch Frankie as a solo star in 2005?

She's obviously got the looks for the part, she can probably sing a bit too. Rachel Stevens, Britney Spears etc. are hardly known for the singing abilitys but have a excellent all round package (looks, songs, general persona, image etc.) to sell records.

I think its fair to say if Frankie was a year older, wore something like she wore for the performance yesterday, and was performing a song like Some Girls or Overprotected, she would be a huge UK solo star.

Is there a masterplan somewhere? Or is everyone in the SC8 community just over-reacting to the snippets of information and common sense we are using reading into the I Dream series?

Discuss .....

[han_daze_fan_sakura]

i find it interesting that simon decided to only put calvin and frankie in as a duet and don't even bother to use the rest of the members as backup dancers...

[Andrew5]

wow i never really thought of it Like that. It all looks so clear to me now. Its looking like they want to launch frankie as a solo artist! I think that would be great but what about the other 8? What are they going to do? go back to school or carry on where they left their old lives?

Fuller is sneaky and if this is what hes doing, its going to disapoint many people. I personally thought everyone would be happy for them with this new song: seeing as we have waited 9 months for something. but i guess i was wrong..

the only other explanation i can think of is that the 8 origionally sang the song (calvin and frankie were the only solos) and simon thought it would be a good idea to release it as a duet to see how it does in the charts since their last single didnt do so hot. I mean its so obvious! Its way more then 2 people singing the chorus! Seeing is frankie and calvin are the most talented and popular in the band (not saying that the others arent)

[vixens_lounge69]

hmm...it could be true. Frankie does have an all-round package to make it as a solo artist, and with the whole odd thing about Calvin and Frankie releasing their own single. if this does happen, i just find it shameful to shut out 6 people who are equally talented out of the spotlight for awhile when they are a band.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by sclub8station@Sep 26 2004, 01:59 PM
Seeing is frankie and calvin are the most talented and popular in the band (not saying that the others arent)
Most popular? Yes. Most talented....errr I think it's obivious that they are not. Especially Calvin. The most talented sing-wise in the band are probably Jay and Stacey. But by no means can Frankie not sing! She's pretty good at it, she's not going to win American Idol, but she's good.

I think maybe Frankie can cut it as a solo artist. She looks good, sings well, dances well. For me it really depends on her music and what style she decides to go with. If I like the single and CD, I'll continue to support her. :)

[CalGal]

Well...Frannkie was always pushed infront of the other (always having a solo in most songs), and now pushing her out of the band to become solo might give theothers a chance to have more solos. but i DON'T want it to happen, it'll screw up the earth's balance! the duo with calvin and frankie was mostly frankie (having a stronger voice, but calvins sounded so sexy! :wub: ). I think calvin was only there so frankie dosen't seem to be going solo so quickly..i think simon's easing her put ofthe band, but hopefully not!

ps sry if my post dosen't make any sense, i suck at english, i always get the worst grades in it even though i live in Canada! Hopefully you guys got the gist of it!

[AaronsGirl]

I agree Frankie has always been the solos in the group in almost all if not all of the songs. I think they r gearing up to put Frankie solo. Whether she can cut it or not im not sure yet, she does have the whole package to go solo. And the info about Daisy going bk to school is very interesting. Why now? Do they know that Frankie is going to be going solo? I for one would rather see SC8 lol than just Frankie lol.

[guvnorgaz]

i think u will see in the coming months that this is the way things will be,instead of the i dream cast performing as a 12+ member group they will split into duets and maybe 3 somes or 4 somes to release tracks.there seems to b songs that each cast member performs in the series so maybe they each have a single with the others providing backing vocals?and yes i think that if any one member of the sclub 8 will make it as a solo act it will b frankie as she does have the all round pop star package

[guvnorgaz]

also the daisy back to school thing,how old is she?its normal for pop stars to go to these types of schools.billie piper,louise and many others went to drama schools and such

[coolnav]

Seeing is frankie and calvin are the most talented and popular in the band (not saying that the others arent) Hmmmmm, you can tell who are the most talented Stacey and Jay. Cal and Franike are just the best lookin

also the daisy back to school thing,how old is she?its normal for pop stars to go to these types of schools.billie piper,louise and many others went to drama schools and such It is usual to go to stage school, i do, but its not if youve been in a band thats sold lots of records and who have been on a tour and have had 6 top 10's. Not unless she knows that she isnt going to get picked becoz maybe Frankie is going solo. But many people have done it whilst still being successfull, H from Steps has recentley gone back to drama collage and i am in Grange Hill and still attend Drama School, so does my friend who is in Corrie.

Youve got to think of the 'Dreaming' situation in many different ways, but we will just have to wait and see what will be next for S Club 8, Frankie, Cal and I Dream.

[stratusfied]

Frankie's Solo sounds good but i dont want sc8 to split :(

[Calvins_girl]

I hope not becos s club 8 should stick 2geva, if this is the plan then it's very wrong & s club 8 will lose alot of fans.

[Jupiter]

It is quite possibly a marketing ploy. If you look at Don't Tell Me You're Sorry, they pushed Frankie to the back. She never took a front middle position where you could see her really clearly. I think they were attempting to promote the other members in that video, especially the guys.

Now, they push her to the front with Calvin, arguably the two most popular members. But, if this trend continues, we may see duets or small groups releasing singles from I Dream, which would give the management company a way to see which members get the best reactions. And then, based upon that, pick the best ones to launch solo careers for, if any.

I think we must wait and see, at least till the next single to really speculate.

I still hope they all stick together though, hehe.

[guvnorgaz]

stacey and jay dont have the same confidence on stag as frankie,and its not always the best singers that go solo.jo was the best singer in sclub 7 and clare was the best singer in steps but its the weaker singer but better lookin rachel and lisa that have made it as solo artists
:ph34r:

[guvnorgaz]

also wot the hell is this>>>> :ph34r: ? looks like an afghan woman

[Calvins_girl]

tht is very true. i rly hope s club 8 dont split.

[xCutiex]

I personally don't think that they are spliting up... Cuz yes Frankie does have a good voice and the looks but I think Stacey gets more solos in their congs than Frankie. But It's hard to say... hopefully what we are thinking isn't true!

Maybe they will just have a few people having singles from I Dream in groups, that would be kind of kool because 12 someodd people singing one song is kind of major :wacko: but it shell be interesting to see what happens...

I do think that Frankie could pull off a solo career though but I agree I would much rather see S Club 8! I don't even want to think about them spliting up!!!! :cry:

[ChArLoTtE SC8 fan]

woa when did we find out Daisy has gone back to theate schoool i had no iddea. it does look like there about to split, ahhh hope not there a lot better as a group

[smallman28]

It makes you wonder if some of the people at the top take things like websites/forums etc into account when they come up with some ideas.
The way I see it is Stacey is a much better all-rounder than Frankie but most places,here included,always seem to point to Frankie being the favourite female member.
It does indeed make you wonder if she is going to have a solo stint basing it on these facts.
I for one think that she could do okay,but it wouldn't last for long.
Best bet is to get into something a bit like Rachel has done,her first single got to number 2 more because it was her and the SC7 die hards stuck with her for a bit,then Funky Dory (the single) was a real flop so they shifted slightly to doing a charity record and re-recording a song for the new football season,both fairly good ways of getting at least a half decent hit.
Maybe solo Frankie should go for a Xmas number 1 or do a charity record for somehing,its the only way I could see her having any longevity after the initial hype(?) created by her first solo single.

[bluebutter]

I really don't know how to look at it. Mostly, I think its for marketing. As someone posted earlier, maybe they'll release a couple of other singles by other clubbers and see which one does best. Or not. Maybe its just for Frankie. We really can't tell this early. I think Frankie can cut it as a solo artist, seeing as she's a very popular member and she is, as they called her in the Guardian article, the "poster girl." I guess in this business, its not really about the talent (not saying that Frankie doesn't have talent. She does, but in my opinion, Stacey or Daisy are more vocally inclined) but more about the looks. Hopefully they won't be breaking up soon though.

[Calvins_girl]

I rly rly hope they dont bt i doubt they will, ther rly succesful as a group.

[magicpatch]

Sheeeesh, I wanted a discussion but this is getting serious LOL

I think some people are taking it farr to seriously. Look at the UK market, when does talent mean anything? It doesn't, not on the singles chart, its down to marketing. Not being rude to the other members of SC8, but Frankie obviously has it easier from a marketing point of view. Rachel has slowly understood this and is now wearing less in music videos etc. Its sad but it sells records.

I'm not saying Frankie will have a 10 year career with sales of 60million etc. I'm saying as a pop artist she could have a good 3 or so years of semi-success if she is marketed correctly and has the right songs.

It's all hypothetical anyway

[Calvins_girl]

yea, she will mke it as a solo artist one day

[bluebutter]

I guess when it comes down to it, what you said is totally right. Its all about the marketing and how Frankie is marketed. When I look at it that way, and as i said earlier, I think Frankie will do fairly well.

[whois]

Originally posted by magicpatch+Sep 26 2004, 02:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (magicpatch @ Sep 26 2004, 02:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Is there a masterplan somewhere? Or is everyone in the SC8 community just over-reacting to the snippets of information and common sense we are using reading into the I Dream series?

Discuss ..... [/b]
Hmm. I think the SC8 community has gone unnecessarily frantic over rumours, which seem to have been in plentyful supply recently, but what you said seems to make sense and is something I've thought about once or twice in the past.

I've always thought that Frankie would be the most likely to go solo after SC8, with Calvin coming a very close second. To a great degree a lot of the promotion of SC8 has revolved around these two (perhaps moreso Calvin than Frankie) and that does seem to point in the direction of solo careers.

Personally, though, I think it's a bit too early to comment. There's been a total lack of official information recently (a factor which helps fuel the rumours even more) and I don't really think releasing one duet is a sign of a solo career. It'll take another single or two before we can get some idea of 19's plans (they could just announce them, but that'd be too kind to us... <_<).

Both Frankie and Calvin have the image to go on to solo careers, I suspect the both have the talent and I also reckon they both have the desire to do so. I guess only time will tell, though...

<!--QuoteBegin-magicpatch
I think some people are taking it farr to seriously. Look at the UK market, when does talent mean anything? It doesn't, not on the singles chart, its down to marketing.[/quote]

To a great degree I think you're right. But at the same time the public seems to like like it's popstars to be able to sing well. Robbie Williams isn't the most attractive person on the planet, but he has bucket loads of talent and plenty of charisma - I think that sells more records than the marketing does.

[Lauren]

Does anyone remember the mag interview where Calvin (I think it was him) said after the band ended, all 8 of them would go solo?! I was like WHAT? doubt it- mean after all, Hannah hasn't even had a solo yet but she's gonna become a solo artist? to an instrumental track lol lol. Anyway, the interviewer was like "all 8 of you? mmmm yeah that's nice" haha. So Calvin may be planning to go solo himself as well. But just because a member is popular doesn't mean they would want to go solo-if I was a popstar (and I know I'm not so why would y'all care lol) I would actually prefer to be in a group then a solo artist. There's advantages (money) and disadvantages (loneliness, much more media scrutnizing, I just like the way groups perform rather then one person even despite back-up dancers) to each one.

[Jupiter]

You have to remember that really they are all kids. I think if they say they want to go solo it is more of the starry eyed dreamer saying that it would be really nice if they could have a career past S Club 8. I doubt they are in cahoots with management to promote certain members and the like.

And unless they last another year or two, I doubt any of them will have the opportunity to go solo. The reason why Lisa (Steps) and Rachel (S Club 7) got solo deals is because their respective bands did extremely well. S Club 8 hasn't reached even close to what those bands have done. I think if they last until they are all 18ish and can be marketed as a full time group, they'll be able to do well as S Club 8 and then think about launching solos.

Although, I do think Frankie and Calvin are their best bets for solos. With Stacey as a close third, if not second to Frankie. But that's just my opinion. If it were up to me, I'd give Aaron and Han a chance to go for it. =p

[guvnorgaz]

stacey isnt as good lookin as frankie so she doesnt have the all round package frankie has

[ddd99]

Frankie have the look, the moves, & the fanbase, & with the right song, & hype she can go a long way. :lol:
Her singing is a bit weak, but I don't think that would be a problem given that there are not many real great singer out there atm.

[Greenjp]

Originally posted by guvnorgaz@Sep 26 2004, 05:44 PM
stacey and jay dont have the same confidence on stag as frankie,and its not always the best singers that go solo.jo was the best singer in sclub 7 and clare was the best singer in steps but its the weaker singer but better lookin rachel and lisa that have made it as solo artists
:ph34r:
I have a slightly different slant on this....when you sign with Fuller it's for life, only he can release you from your contract..( when the Spice Girls told Simon to shove-it he changed the fine print on all future contracts) Rach is singing solo because she re-signed with fuller. Jo is probably holding out for more money or maybe waiting for an out clause which says you can't sing for anybody else for so many years I don't think Frankie has the vocal power to go solo..the looks Oh Ya
I'd place my bet on Stacey for solo. :D

[*~Nadj~*]

Im sure that they can all make it as solo artists, but i doubt their gonna split just because calv n franx r releasin a duet. Its probably because simon fuller thought it was the best song that i dream had recorded for their album so therefor used it to promote it!!
Daisy used to go 2 a theater school before she was in sclub8 so maybe shes just gone bk 2 perfect her acting because of being in i dream aswell!!!

[sc8rulez]

Originally posted by *~Nadj~*@Sep 28 2004, 04:07 PM
Im sure that they can all make it as solo artists, but i doubt their gonna split just because calv n franx r releasin a duet. Its probably because simon fuller thought it was the best song that i dream had recorded for their album so therefor used it to promote it!!
Daisy used to go 2 a theater school before she was in sclub8 so maybe shes just gone bk 2 perfect her acting because of being in i dream aswell!!!
Yeah, I totally agree with you!

[hvfan]

we have to take into account that frankie is still only 15 years old. give the girl another 2-3 years and we could be looking at a mega star in the UK if she is marketed right. Her looks are as good as britney or rachel, voice is good for pop, she sung a lot of solo parts on both the s club juniors album and the s club 8 sundown album. She has good dancing ability, She does need to polish her interview and personality skills a bit she comes off a bit too full of herself. I would definitely look forward to frankie's solo material if the s club 8 group falls apart.

[honeybunny]

I think Frankie would be able to go solo if the band split, but I don't think it would last long, if the band did split up, I think Frankie would only be able to survive as a solo singer until hype surrounding S Club 8's split would have died down, then she would flop.......That's what I think, and it does make sense really, it's happened to other solo atrists in the past

If the band did split, I think Rochelle would be the best to have a solo career, because there's no one with a voice like hers in the charts at the moment, so she would have that new sound to be able to pull it off, and she has the look as well

[mrs_h_goldspink]

I think that Frank and Calv would have a solo career. I could imagine hannah and daisy doing a duet together!!

[vixens_lounge69]

there's always the few people in a band, when they break up, become successful solo artists. and not surprisingly, they tend to be the most popular of the band. and needless to say, i think Frankie and Calvin are the most popular. i think they could pull off a solo career, but i'd like s club 8 to stick for awhile. ;)

[sc8german]

I hope sc8 stay together for a long time. But i also think
Frankie and Calvin are popular enough to start a solo career
(especially Frankie).

Originally posted by mrs_h_goldspink

I could imagine hannah and daisy doing a duet together!!

I can't imagine this. I want to listen to hannah's voice before
i can image this.

[Desiree]

Its no doubt that either frankie calvin or stacey is gonna get the solo career in the future. might be frankie, might be not, we dont know. its all up to the management isnt it? well i do hope that she goes solo and sells her albums in singapore! woo ill SURELY hundred percent gonna buy her albums. cos she rocks.

and magicpatch i agree with u yaa she has got the whole package. she may not be the BEST singer BUT she has got the voice to compete with anyone! she has got the looks too, shes just too perfecto! except for her eyebags lol. blessness